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6thGen

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One more thing, from VDH (a week or so old). I know most here don't subscribe to NR, but he raises some salient points.

The Chickens of Identity Politics Come Home to Roost? [Victor Davis Hanson]


Watching the parade of apologists for Rev. Wright?s hatred??garlic noses?; ?KKK of A;? ?God Damn America;? ?Condamnesia;? the U.S. deserved 9/11; America is no different from al-Qaeda; we caused the AIDs virus; Israel is a ?dirty word? and sought an Arab and black ethnic bomb, etc?is, well, depressing. Instead of offering distance from Wright, far too many African-American professors and pastors interviewed on the cable stations the last few nights instead praised his brilliance and inspiration.

At best, there was a feeble ?you just don?t get it? about the venting and wink-and-nod culture of the black church. But the net message from the African-American liberal establishment, at least I fear, seems to be something like the following: ?Wright is not going to offer an apology and we aren?t embarrassed about his ranting, which is not ranting at all, but rather historical and biblical exegesis which we endorse. And the problem is yours, not ours, since we expect exemption?given the history of race in this country?from your so-called norms of public discourse.?

This is what the triangulation of Obama has helped to unleash: most Americans will now doubt the moral authority of the African-American intellectual and religious community not just to question the questionable racial remarks of a Bill Clinton, Ed Rendell, or Geraldine Ferraro, but also the Wright-like crudity of a Don Imus or a Michael Richards. Context is now king.

This disastrous regression in race relations is the natural dividend of liberal identity politics, most recently brought to the fore by the wife of the first ?black President?, the first ?transracial? black Presidential candidate, and the ?prophet? and ?healer? Reverend Wright.

Barack Obama is on his way to a McGovern candidacy.
 

elgordoboy

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One more thing, from VDH (a week or so old). I know most here don't subscribe to NR, but he raises some salient points.

The Chickens of Identity Politics Come Home to Roost? [Victor Davis Hanson]


Watching the parade of apologists for Rev. Wright?s hatred??garlic noses?; ?KKK of A;? ?God Damn America;? ?Condamnesia;? the U.S. deserved 9/11; America is no different from al-Qaeda; we caused the AIDs virus; Israel is a ?dirty word? and sought an Arab and black ethnic bomb, etc?is, well, depressing. Instead of offering distance from Wright, far too many African-American professors and pastors interviewed on the cable stations the last few nights instead praised his brilliance and inspiration.

At best, there was a feeble ?you just don?t get it? about the venting and wink-and-nod culture of the black church. But the net message from the African-American liberal establishment, at least I fear, seems to be something like the following: ?Wright is not going to offer an apology and we aren?t embarrassed about his ranting, which is not ranting at all, but rather historical and biblical exegesis which we endorse. And the problem is yours, not ours, since we expect exemption?given the history of race in this country?from your so-called norms of public discourse.?

This is what the triangulation of Obama has helped to unleash: most Americans will now doubt the moral authority of the African-American intellectual and religious community not just to question the questionable racial remarks of a Bill Clinton, Ed Rendell, or Geraldine Ferraro, but also the Wright-like crudity of a Don Imus or a Michael Richards. Context is now king.

This disastrous regression in race relations is the natural dividend of liberal identity politics, most recently brought to the fore by the wife of the first ?black President?, the first ?transracial? black Presidential candidate, and the ?prophet? and ?healer? Reverend Wright.

Barack Obama is on his way to a McGovern candidacy.
That sums it up pretty well. The National Review? I'll quote Randi Rhodes in my coming diatribe and hope to change your mind :rotfl:. Sounds like the NR wants blacks to know their place and keep quiet about it. That is my take on the above. Since you say you don't need to look up "tyranny of the majority" perhaps you just need to brush up on it a bit.
 

hnooe

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"In the name of love, what more in the name of love." U2 Bono. In Honor of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
 

Chickpea

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Like I do in life in general (and those of you inclined to call me naive - you may skip that for I will readily admit that I may be naive) - I will give Obama the benefit the doubt and I will praise him for NOT walking out if and when he heard those rantings.

Most of us do not walk out on our friends when they make incendiary statements. Most of us engage in healthy debates, most of us try to cajole, persuade, at times scream, rant and rave about our personal beliefs - we are now well over 300 million in this country -do we really expect our politicians to retreat in shame if someone is their midst utters words that anger some - how incredibly sheltered and hypocritical do we want them to be?

So, wow - look at this - Obama may actually surround himself with people of diverse backgrounds and beliefs - and he actually believes in talking to people with different opinions - what a horror, what an unimaginable thought!! (insert sarcasm icon - we need one of those!) - forgive me if I actually cherish and look forward to a time soon (hopefully) that we can have a person like this in the White House - after the past 8 years of absolute hateful disdain and arrogance from this administration- how hopeful this would be TO ME.

And Hillary Clinton's comment that she would not have accepted such words from her pastor may be true and genuine (although please allow me to be skeptical and chalk this one down to political opportunism) - but I can safely assume that most people on this board must know and understand that many thousands of people in this country and in others, who claim to be religious and righteous, who attend service dutifully every week, also will make outrageous and incendiary claims about other people's beliefs every now and then (just like that pathetic Anne Coulter who recently said that "Christians are perfected Jews" - many pastors in this country preach that nutty message and many people actualy BELIEVE this.

And no doubt this will shock some on this board - I UNDERSTAND and AGREE with the many people in this country who actually at times do DEPLORE some of the things America has done in the past (and I admire other things) and to sit there and see so many people thump their chests with real, although in some cases, feigned patriotism and act so alarmed and surprised - surprised - that this discourse might exist in America today - that people are acting simply AMAZED and disgusted by these words is so stunning to me - my goodness - how removed from reality are we?

And I will end by repeating something Rapunzel said earlier - read Obama's books if you want to understand his beliefs - Dreams from my Father specifically because it was written way before he aspired to a political career and it is honest.
 

6thGen

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That sums it up pretty well. The National Review? I'll quote Randi Rhodes in my coming diatribe and hope to change your mind :rotfl:. Sounds like the NR wants blacks to know their place and keep quiet about it. That is my take on the above. Since you say you don't need to look up "tyranny of the majority" perhaps you just need to brush up on it a bit.

Ad hominem? That's the best you have? Should Wright offer an apology or not? Will he? It is really that simple.
 

6thGen

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Aug 22, 2005
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Like I do in life in general (and those of you inclined to call me naive - you may skip that for I will readily admit that I may be naive) - I will give Obama the benefit the doubt and I will praise him for NOT walking out if and when he heard those rantings.

Most of us do not walk out on our friends when they make incendiary statements. Most of us engage in healthy debates, most of us try to cajole, persuade, at times scream, rant and rave about our personal beliefs - we are now well over 300 million in this country -do we really expect our politicians to retreat in shame if someone is their midst utters words that anger some - how incredibly sheltered and hypocritical do we want them to be?

So, wow - look at this - Obama may actually surround himself with people of diverse backgrounds and beliefs - and he actually believes in talking to people with different opinions - what a horror, what an unimaginable thought!! (insert sarcasm icon - we need one of those!) - forgive me if I actually cherish and look forward to a time soon (hopefully) that we can have a person like this in the White House - after the past 8 years of absolute hateful disdain and arrogance from this administration- how hopeful this would be TO ME.

And Hillary Clinton's comment that she would not have accepted such words from her pastor may be true and genuine (although please allow me to be skeptical and chalk this one down to political opportunism) - but I can safely assume that most people on this board must know and understand that many thousands of people in this country and in others, who claim to be religious and righteous, who attend service dutifully every week, also will make outrageous and incendiary claims about other people's beliefs every now and then (just like that pathetic Anne Coulter who recently said that "Christians are perfected Jews" - many pastors in this country preach that nutty message and many people actualy BELIEVE this.

And no doubt this will shock some on this board - I UNDERSTAND and AGREE with the many people in this country who actually at times do DEPLORE some of the things America has done in the past (and I admire other things) and to sit there and see so many people thump their chests with real, although in some cases, feigned patriotism and act so alarmed and surprised - surprised - that this discourse might exist in America today - that people are acting simply AMAZED and disgusted by these words is so stunning to me - my goodness - how removed from reality are we?

And I will end by repeating something Rapunzel said earlier - read Obama's books if you want to understand his beliefs - Dreams from my Father specifically because it was written way before he aspired to a political career and it is honest.


I'm at a loss for words. If you were sitting in church, and your pastor started talking about destroying the white enemy, you would respect someone for not confronting him about it? Or not getting up and leaving? Sorry, but your offensive personal comments to me have already spoken for you. I bring up that Muslims are prone to violence, and you attack me personally. You are too wed to this candidate to recognize your own hypocrisy.
 

ASH

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Should I vote for Obama, it won't be because he is black. If I vote for McCain, it won't be because he is white. If I vote for Clinton, it won't be because she is a woman.
I (we?) need a President who understand what I (we?) think this country needs to be doing on this planet. That is who I am going to vote for.
I don't care where they go to church or who their pastor is. I don't care what state they came from. I don't care what political party they hang their hat with.
I only care in what I believe they can bring to the greater good of the country I live in. Period.
Any Hoo Rah's out there? :D
 

Chickpea

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Dec 15, 2005
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I don't care where they go to church or who their pastor is. I don't care what state they came from. I don't care what political party they hang their hat with.
I only care in what I believe they can bring to the greater good of the country I live in. Period.
Any Hoo Rah's out there? :D

Well said and hoo rah from me!
 

Chickpea

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For those of you inclined to look it up - Tim Russert had 2 of my favorite guests on his show last night. Christopher Hutchins and Andrew Sullivan - they had a great debate, specifically on issue of Wright (they have different opinions btw!)
 
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