Welcome to America

[Matt J]

Facts matter. Science, vaccines and basic public health measures made a difference for lowering infection rates and deaths in certain communities and states. Significantly. Here is just one of many reports on research and analysis. Reading is an essential skill. Antivax is ridiculous. If you had listened to scientists from the US and all over the world you would know that the vaccine had been under development for many years with the technology in place. An amazing collaborative achievement but also very intensive, furthering the advancement of vaccines and medicine in all areas.

"The United States has the dubious distinction of suffering the highest COVID-19 mortality rate among the world’s high-income countries. But that national average — 372 deaths per 100,000 people as of last summer — hides the fact that pandemic outcomes differed greatly from state to state.

In a comparison that controlled for demographic differences between states, Arizona’s COVID-19 mortality rate of 581 deaths per 100,000 residents was almost four times higher than Hawaii’s, where there were 147 deaths per 100,000 residents. Death rates in the hardest-hit U.S. states resembled those of countries with no healthcare infrastructure whatever. States that fared best had rates on a par with countries such as Australia, New Zealand and South Korea, which worked zealously to keep their pandemic death tolls low... "

When it comes to preventing COVID-19 deaths, 'how we feel about each other matters'

A new study examines the factors that caused some states to have COVID-19 mortality rates that were four times higher than others.

www.latimes.com

I don't think comparing Arizona to Hawaii is very fair. Hawaii had the unique distinction of being able to 100% stop anyone from traveling in/out whereas that was not the case for the remaining 49 states. Otherwise we're in agreement.

 

[Teresa]

Not to Lou and his ilk.

The political games employed during a worldwide pandemic was the most devastating thing I've ever seen in my lifetime. Proof that disinformation is deadly and destructive to the lives of so many people. It is as UNAmerican as it gets. How many Americans died needlessly? The pandemic exposed many problems in our country from corporate greed and inadequate supply chains to poor health care resources and much more. It also exposed public health officials, teachers, nurses and doctors, front line workers and others to threats and immediate danger from people who used disinformation to further "freedom". Many people are to blame for the unnecessary political drama and US death rates from trump to Fox, as well as right wing leaders and their media.

 

[Teresa]

I don't think comparing Arizona to Hawaii is very fair. Hawaii had the unique distinction of being able to 100% stop anyone from traveling in/out whereas that was not the case for the remaining 49 states. Otherwise we're in agreement.

Sure. But they also had a very good response in place for the duration. I know some people who traveled there more than once during the pandemic who were allowed in as long as they met criteria.

 

[mputnal]

Facts matter. Science, vaccines and basic public health measures made a difference for lowering infection rates and deaths in certain communities and states. Significantly. Here is just one of many reports on research and analysis. Reading is an essential skill. Antivax is ridiculous. If you had listened to scientists from the US and all over the world you would know that the vaccine had been under development for many years with the technology in place. An amazing collaborative achievement but also very intensive, furthering the advancement of vaccines and medicine in all areas.

"The United States has the dubious distinction of suffering the highest COVID-19 mortality rate among the world’s high-income countries. But that national average — 372 deaths per 100,000 people as of last summer — hides the fact that pandemic outcomes differed greatly from state to state.

In a comparison that controlled for demographic differences between states, Arizona’s COVID-19 mortality rate of 581 deaths per 100,000 residents was almost four times higher than Hawaii’s, where there were 147 deaths per 100,000 residents. Death rates in the hardest-hit U.S. states resembled those of countries with no healthcare infrastructure whatever. States that fared best had rates on a par with countries such as Australia, New Zealand and South Korea, which worked zealously to keep their pandemic death tolls low... "

When it comes to preventing COVID-19 deaths, 'how we feel about each other matters'

A new study examines the factors that caused some states to have COVID-19 mortality rates that were four times higher than others.

www.latimes.com

Yes in the rural area I grew up in North Florida where the majority watch Fox News and then go to church on Sunday they were absolutely devastated by Covid because of refusing to get the vaccine. I am a retired health care provider and it just makes no sense to me. Yes there will always be side effects and that will never change because the human body is so very complex. What is interesting about trump is that he deregulated some of the process to approve the vaccine so that we can save lives then he went in the opposite direction which cost many lives. I think we all know how trump rolls. Science is the best thing we have in healthcare followed by most of the people in health care. Arguing with Science for some political purpose is wrong. I think we all know how Lou rolls

 

[mputnal]

Lou thinks Cuban and African descendant or any darker skin people are the same.

I did not know that...Lou thinks

 

[Lou Deman]

I know that you can't handle the truth, don't want to know the truth and don't care about the truth. Why? Because you hate people. You have admitted it so many times. So yes I am a hypocrite with trying to seek common ground with you. I think you are a lost cause and there is no common ground. I gave you so many opportunities already to allow you to reflect on your behaviors in this forum. Challenged you to think about your family before yourself. You "can't handle the truth" and I am sorry about. I believe in Truth and Justice and I am absolutely sure now that it is under attack by your group of followers of trump or trump like politicians. By the way I have heard trump say in a convention that he IS a politician and formed his own political pac. Hypocrite. There are millions and millions of people like me who hear and see the destructive behavior coming from your group. It will be a long fight and struggle for Truth and Justice but the human race will eventually get it right. America will lead this cause and we will fight with the same conviction of our founders. When I say founders I am talking about all race and gender that supported the founding of this GREAT COUNTRY. The South had better generals. The North had more man power. America will accept and adapt to a changing world. You and I may not be around to see it but it will happen. We are already seeing it. Your group will eventually figure it out. That is my hope

Our founding fathers were men, they didn't have time to make sure they were all inclusive with everyones genders, pronouns, races, feelings, sexual orientation or prefernce, emotions, or any of the other nonsense that has arisen lately. They had a job to do and they got it done. We are going to lose America the same way every great society falls, from within due to internal weakness.

Strong men make good times
Good times make weak men
Weak men make hard times
Hard times make strong men

You can choose where you think we are at

Not really sure what the south had great generals comment was about, the reason the north came down here and kicked your ass was because we were tired of you racist redneck democrats that wanted to own people and we weren't having it

 

[mputnal]

Our founding fathers were men, they didn't have time to make sure they were all inclusive with everyones genders, pronouns, races, feelings, sexual orientation or prefernce, emotions, or any of the other nonsense that has arisen lately. They had a job to do and they got it done. We are going to lose America the same way every great society falls, from within due to internal weakness.

Strong men make good times
Good times make weak men
Weak men make hard times
Hard times make strong men

You can choose where you think we are at

Not really sure what the south had great generals comment was about, the reason the north came down here and kicked your ass was because we were tired of you racist redneck democrats that wanted to own people and we weren't having it

A lot of what you type is just straight up BS from a privileged dude who does not know near as much as he thinks

 

[Lou Deman]

I remember in the past you really defended them and were seemingly on the fence. You've moved away from them. I'm just curious if they have slid down the steep slope toward unreasonable thinking and behavior or is it you who has changed? Maybe both? Perhaps you are using your reasoning and observations skills to see that the GOP is a big problem for American democracy?

Yes Dawn, mput is like a fence post. He is straight down the middle except every thought, reaction, defending statement, ect leans to the left. Other then that he's in the middle

 

[Lou Deman]

I can remember when republicans supported allowing parents to make the decision not to comply with mandatory life saving vaccinations for their kids.

Who else should make these decisions? Were healthy kids at risk? Mandatory might not be the right word

 

[PoppaJ]

Our founding fathers were men, they didn't have time to make sure they were all inclusive with everyones genders, pronouns, races, feelings, sexual orientation or prefernce, emotions, or any of the other nonsense that has arisen lately. They had a job to do and they got it done. We are going to lose America the same way every great society falls, from within due to internal weakness.

Strong men make good times
Good times make weak men
Weak men make hard times
Hard times make strong men

You can choose where you think we are at

Not really sure what the south had great generals comment was about, the reason the north came down here and kicked your ass was because we were tired of you racist redneck democrats that wanted to own people and we weren't having it

We? Where the hell were you?