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30ashopper

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Right here!
You're sidestepping the issue and presenting a kind of strawman because you know full well it's not criticism that I object to. Furthermore, if you put this racist/birther harrassment in the category of criticism then you are truly more ignorant than I could have possibly imagined. Shine on!

Edit: Just to spell it out. This harrassment is the equivalent of 9/11 "truthers" demanding that GWB prove that he wasn't behind 9/11. Fortunately that movement never went mainstream, because there aren't enough ignorant psychos in this country. The birther movement gained traction because an ample supply of ignorant racists exists in this country.

First, those are your labels, not mine. Coming from you they mean nothing to me. Progressives like yourself have watered these verbal attacks down so much over the last three years you've rendered them meaningless. As far as criticism goes, that can include anything in my book, criticizing job performance for example, or in this case criticizing a president's claim that he is qualified for the presidency. If you have a problem with it, too bad. If you feel the need to vent your frustrations by calling people names so be it. But don't expect the discussion to continue far beyond that point.
 

LuciferSam

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First, those are your labels, not mine. Coming from you they mean nothing to me. Progressives like yourself have watered these verbal attacks down so much over the last three years you've rendered them meaningless. As far as criticism goes, that can include anything in my book, criticizing job performance for example, or in this case criticizing a president's claim that he is qualified for the presidency. If you have a problem with it, too bad. If you feel the need to vent your frustrations by calling people names so be it. But don't expect the discussion to continue far beyond that point.

Birther's aren't questioning qualifications, they are making unsubstantiated claims as to his eligibility. If you can't make a distinction between those two in your book, then you need to find a good ghost writer.
 
This is where your ignorance shines like a beacon. The real thing was released a long time ago. You are complicit in the harrassment that our president has been subjected to on this issue.

I have repeatedly said that this issue should not be what conservatives should be concentrating on, that we should stick to the issues that really mean something such as runnaway spending, bailouts and the debt. But the blame for the three year long controversy should be laid squarely at the feet of Obama. He clearly could have stopped this long ago and used it to divert attention from the real issues and paint opponents as nut-jobs. Hopefully we can now move on to address the real issues.
 
Like the R.I.N.O.'s, me thinks they call them L.I.N.O.'s.

For the record I have not been on the "birther" bandwagon, but I don't think those who do are so much racist as disgusted and grasping any straw that opposes Obama. And you could be a full scale birther and still be libertarian. Libertarianism is a political philosophy that upholds individual liberty, especially freedom of expression and action.[1] Libertarianism includes diverse beliefs and organizations–all advocate either the minimization or the elimination of the state, and the goal of maximizing individual liberty and freedom.

What in that definition prohibits someone from questioning whether the President is a citizen or not?
 
Birther's aren't questioning qualifications, they are making unsubstantiated claims as to his eligibility. If you can't make a distinction between those two in your book, then you need to find a good ghost writer.

He is qualified because a majority of voters said he was, He is eligible because he is an American over 35. What I question are his policies that are bankrupting the country and taking our freedoms. Hopefully a majority of voters will agree in 2012 and render him unqualified.
 

poppy

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I have repeatedly said that this issue should not be what conservatives should be concentrating on, that we should stick to the issues that really mean something such as runnaway spending, bailouts and the debt. But the blame for the three year long controversy should be laid squarely at the feet of Obama. He clearly could have stopped this long ago and used it to divert attention from the real issues and paint opponents as nut-jobs. Hopefully we can now move on to address the real issues.

So are you stating that every time some nut job comes up with a conspiracy theory with no bases in truth it is going to be this or any future presidents fault if he or she ignores it? Should the preceding president have dropped everything just to prove to some idiots he did not orchestrate 911, or send teams of researchers to produce his missing military records?
 

PearlSB4U

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I have repeatedly said that this issue should not be what conservatives should be concentrating on, that we should stick to the issues that really mean something such as runnaway spending, bailouts and the debt. But the blame for the three year long controversy should be laid squarely at the feet of Obama. He clearly could have stopped this long ago and used it to divert attention from the real issues and paint opponents as nut-jobs. Hopefully we can now move on to address the real issues.

This is called Blaming the Victim.
 

Bob

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we are all entitle to well reasoned opinions. stupidity and racism does not come under the entitlement umbrella.
 
we are all entitle to well reasoned opinions. stupidity and racism does not come under the entitlement umbrella.

You might want to read your Constitution. You have every right to say stupid, hurtful and inappropriate things as long as you do not threaten someone, libel/slander someone or place someone else in danger. "Well reasoned" is usually in the eye of the beholder.
 
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