Walton County designates North Hwy 393 as ‘Charlie Kirk Parkway’

[mputnal]

Personally I can't wait to drive down Charlie Kirk till I run into the Gulf of America once the road work on the north side is done.

Did or do you agree with everything that Charlie Kirk believed? I personally have listened to hours and hours of his debates before his life was tragically taken including the podcast with Gavin Newsom. I give them both credit for their civility. He was a smart young man that had skills and ability to express his thoughts and was willing to debate primarily with young people who we all know is our future. Some of what he believed crossed some lines of humanity, dignity and respect for all people. He had no checks and balances on his beliefs. When he lost a debate over an issue he would say "I disagree" even though his facts were proven wrong. In the weeks prior to his death I have to say he was pushing back on Israel and I respected that. He had strong ties and huge money contributions coming from Israel. To be honest there is still a lot that makes no sense with what we know about his assassination.

Anytime a life is taken by these mentally ill mostly young white men we should be asking ourselves "what is happening to these young men that creates such monsters?" Instead our American leaders only really care about hate and division. We will never solve the problems causing this radicalization with the leadership we have at the moment. It should mean something to all of us that we are no longer able to have conversation without the emotion of hate. Maybe we all have responsibility to help with this issue of radicalization. I am not fond of the idea of naming a road in Walton County after Charlie Kirk when there has been so many other tragic shootings but I will not cringe every time I drive down that road. I will probably think about his family and the tragedy that exists in this country called hate...

 

[Lou Deman]

Did or do you agree with everything that Charlie Kirk believed? I personally have listened to hours and hours of his debates before his life was tragically taken including the podcast with Gavin Newsom. I give them both credit for their civility. He was a smart young man that had skills and ability to express his thoughts and was willing to debate primarily with young people who we all know is our future. Some of what he believed crossed some lines of humanity, dignity and respect for all people. He had no checks and balances on his beliefs. When he lost a debate over an issue he would say "I disagree" even though his facts were proven wrong. In the weeks prior to his death I have to say he was pushing back on Israel and I respected that. He had strong ties and huge money contributions coming from Israel. To be honest there is still a lot that makes no sense with what we know about his assassination.

Anytime a life is taken by these mentally ill mostly young white men we should be asking ourselves "what is happening to these young men that creates such monsters?" Instead our American leaders only really care about hate and division. We will never solve the problems causing this radicalization with the leadership we have at the moment. It should mean something to all of us that we are no longer able to have conversation without the emotion of hate. Maybe we all have responsibility to help with this issue of radicalization. I am not fond of the idea of naming a road in Walton County after Charlie Kirk when there has been so many other tragic shootings but I will not cringe every time I drive down that road. I will probably think about his family and the tragedy that exists in this country called hate...

I did not agree with everything Kirk believed. I barely agree with myself on everything I believe.
Here is where we start to disagree.
You state 'some of what he believed.. crossed lines..' this is your opinion but you are stating it like its fact. Who are you or anyone for that matter to judge what anyone else believes?
Who's beliefs actually have checks and balances? This is an odd stance in my opinion
Who judges who won or lost debates? To say 'we disagree' is a gentlemen's way to end the back and forth. How else could you accomplish this? Give me an example of one time 'his facts' were proven wrong, that would mean they weren't facts.
Do you know for a fact that he had huge money ties to Israel? If so whom in Israel? Individuals or their government? This is a big accusation to throw out there.
Are you insinuating Israel killed Kirk? If so what role did the kid play?

As far as the mental health issues in this country I am sure we will really disagree so I don't want to pop the cork on that issue.
Let me tell you a little secret that you already know, the is no such thing as leaders. The only thing that makes a leader is a following. Our issue is not leadership its followers and who they are listening to. If Walton county renaming a road makes you cringe maybe the issue is you because this country is full of roads named after people that others have issues with.

Personally I loved what Kirk did. I didn't always have the same beliefs as him but it was cool to see someone give an open mic to anyone in a effort to close the gap between ideologies. I hope his assassination lights the spark of what this country need to get back on track. Just my opinion

 

[mputnal]

I did not agree with everything Kirk believed. I barely agree with myself on everything I believe.
Here is where we start to disagree.
You state 'some of what he believed.. crossed lines..' this is your opinion but you are stating it like its fact. Who are you or anyone for that matter to judge what anyone else believes?
Who's beliefs actually have checks and balances? This is an odd stance in my opinion
Who judges who won or lost debates? To say 'we disagree' is a gentlemen's way to end the back and forth. How else could you accomplish this? Give me an example of one time 'his facts' were proven wrong, that would mean they weren't facts.
Do you know for a fact that he had huge money ties to Israel? If so whom in Israel? Individuals or their government? This is a big accusation to throw out there.
Are you insinuating Israel killed Kirk? If so what role did the kid play?

As far as the mental health issues in this country I am sure we will really disagree so I don't want to pop the cork on that issue.
Let me tell you a little secret that you already know, the is no such thing as leaders. The only thing that makes a leader is a following. Our issue is not leadership its followers and who they are listening to. If Walton county renaming a road makes you cringe maybe the issue is you because this country is full of roads named after people that others have issues with.

Personally I loved what Kirk did. I didn't always have the same beliefs as him but it was cool to see someone give an open mic to anyone in a effort to close the gap between ideologies. I hope his assassination lights the spark of what this country need to get back on track. Just my opinion

From your response I may assume you did not watch many of his debates. I did. Maybe take a look at the Cambridge debates and just about every debate with a guy named Parker (don't know his full name). There were more than a few where his facts and assertions were proven wrong. Many of his debates were staged with supportive crowds. Many other debates he pulled from the internet by Charlie Kirk himself. I am not really trying to make a point against naming a road after him because I respected his abilities and vision to see a weakness in the democratic party. He made his points clear and did not waver. All I am really saying is that he did not always get the facts right and I never saw him admit it. There is no one on this planet who knows everything even though they have may have high IQ's or believe they have high IQ's (you are free to find the clips of such people). Definitely not you and me

I have watched so many of Charlie Kirk's debates that I feel like I know him but you are correct I have no right to judge him and I don't think I have. However I think he made people feel disrespected and yes in my book that crosses a line. I think he made some women feel disrespected. I think he made some people of color feel disrespected. I think he made some people with a different religion or no religion feel disrespected. I think he made some young college students feel disrespected. I never felt disrespected because I am a white male and he made me feel like a king so I get your enthusiasm. I think Charlie Kirk tried to be respectful but a debate is about winning and losing and he like everyone not so interested in losing. What I am trying to get across is that not everything is a debate. We need to have conversations that are not so accusatory and we all need to agree on this. I respect that you respected Charlie Kirk. I respected Charlie Kirk. I think you read my reply wrong. I will not cringe on seeing his name on a road sign but I just do not understand why he is different than all the children and mothers and grandmothers and fathers and grandfathers and brothers and sisters who have died innocently from a bullet by a deranged person or assassin.

Many of the people that I "assume" you listen to like Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes etc. all believe that the information we have from the FBI makes no sense. There are problems with the evidence but we will never have all the facts because of the way the FBI operates (like a secret police). These people are convinced that Israel had something to do with the assassination. I really don't know do you?

Okay you want me to list the donors to TPUSA so I will but there was also a phone call directly between Charlie Kirk and Netanyahu about possibly losing donations a few days or weeks before his murder. Bernard Marcus, Isaac Perlmutter and the Jewish Community foundation made some of the largest donations but there are probably others. I think we should just be aware of this and not draw strong conclusions myself but the people I listed in the above paragraph go way beyond awareness with strong beliefs. Candace Owens was a close friend of Charlie Kirk and she had spoken with him several times about Israel and how the attacks on Gaza was needlessly killing innocent people including children. Look up her podcast don't believe anything until you research it yourself. Apparently (from Candace Owens and others) Charlie had the ear of our leadership and he was telling them that Israel was going too far. I don't know if you know this (you should) but there are billionaires that finance "influencers" like Charlie Kirk and anyone with power.

All of our beliefs should have checks and balances which is the same thing as moral reasoning. If you make someone feel bad on purpose then we probably should rethink how to communicate.

Our questionable leadership of this Country has created a spark and the recent elections are showing the effects of that spark. People are really tired of hate. It serves no purpose...

 

[Lou Deman]

From your response I may assume you did not watch many of his debates. I did. Maybe take a look at the Cambridge debates and just about every debate with a guy named Parker (don't know his full name). There were more than a few where his facts and assertions were proven wrong. Many of his debates were staged with supportive crowds. Many other debates he pulled from the internet by Charlie Kirk himself. I am not really trying to make a point against naming a road after him because I respected his abilities and vision to see a weakness in the democratic party. He made his points clear and did not waver. All I am really saying is that he did not always get the facts right and I never saw him admit it. There is no one on this planet who knows everything even though they have may have high IQ's or believe they have high IQ's (you are free to find the clips of such people). Definitely not you and me

I have watched so many of Charlie Kirk's debates that I feel like I know him but you are correct I have no right to judge him and I don't think I have. However I think he made people feel disrespected and yes in my book that crosses a line. I think he made some women feel disrespected. I think he made some people of color feel disrespected. I think he made some people with a different religion or no religion feel disrespected. I think he made some young college students feel disrespected. I never felt disrespected because I am a white male and he made me feel like a king so I get your enthusiasm. I think Charlie Kirk tried to be respectful but a debate is about winning and losing and he like everyone not so interested in losing. What I am trying to get across is that not everything is a debate. We need to have conversations that are not so accusatory and we all need to agree on this. I respect that you respected Charlie Kirk. I respected Charlie Kirk. I think you read my reply wrong. I will not cringe on seeing his name on a road sign but I just do not understand why he is different than all the children and mothers and grandmothers and fathers and grandfathers and brothers and sisters who have died innocently from a bullet by a deranged person or assassin.

Many of the people that I "assume" you listen to like Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes etc. all believe that the information we have from the FBI makes no sense. There are problems with the evidence but we will never have all the facts because of the way the FBI operates (like a secret police). These people are convinced that Israel had something to do with the assassination. I really don't know do you?

Okay you want me to list the donors to TPUSA so I will but there was also a phone call directly between Charlie Kirk and Netanyahu about possibly losing donations a few days or weeks before his murder. Bernard Marcus, Isaac Perlmutter and the Jewish Community foundation made some of the largest donations but there are probably others. I think we should just be aware of this and not draw strong conclusions myself but the people I listed in the above paragraph go way beyond awareness with strong beliefs. Candace Owens was a close friend of Charlie Kirk and she had spoken with him several times about Israel and how the attacks on Gaza was needlessly killing innocent people including children. Look up her podcast don't believe anything until you research it yourself. Apparently (from Candace Owens and others) Charlie had the ear of our leadership and he was telling them that Israel was going too far. I don't know if you know this (you should) but there are billionaires that finance "influencers" like Charlie Kirk and anyone with power.

All of our beliefs should have checks and balances which is the same thing as moral reasoning. If you make someone feel bad on purpose then we probably should rethink how to communicate.

Our questionable leadership of this Country has created a spark and the recent elections are showing the effects of that spark. People are really tired of hate. It serves no purpose...

You assume incorrectly
I have watched countless hours of his videos and debates
The kid parker is just that, a kid. Not much world experience, book smart with all the talking points while being real world naive but he will get there.
You state many of his debates were 'staged', do you know this as fact? You need to stop presenting your opinion as truth without a slightest about of backup for your claims but this is a typical tactic of the left. Maybe you don't even realize you're doing it.
I don't think his mission was to point out weakness in the democrat party as much as just to present his viewpoint and backup his position.
If possible give me a example of where he got his facts wrong so I can see what you mean.
This one is going to rub you wrong but men don't care about peoples feelings when it comes to truth. I'm not saying you call a dumb child dumb but we should all strive to be honest and this rubs weak minded people as disrespectful sometimes.
I couldn't even imagine what it must be like to walk through life trying not to offend anyone or caring if you do. Personally I think this will be one of the major factors in the downfall of our nation but thats just my opinion. Can you imagine our grandfathers believing that men that dress up as women are actually women? No, because they were men and they were honest.
If you feel that Kirk catered to 'white men' then you missed his entire lifes purpose but maybe you cannot help yourself. Debates can be about winning but true debate is about the flow and sharings of ideas and points of view. As much as a lot of people on the left annoy me sometimes I like interacting with them because I try to see things from their point of view.
The reason they will name roads, school, building ect after Kirk is because he was trying to close the gap between people. Victims of violence are something different, in my opinion..
I used to like Tucker more, Owens is off the rails with little hope of return, and I have never heard of Fuentes (but I will look him up). Very few people in my circle believe a word that comes out of 99% of the governments mouths because they have repeatedly shown that they have little character and will lie without a second thought. Jan 6th, Trumps ties to russia, hunters laptop, and I don't just mean the left I mean on anything (just a couple of examples off the top of my head.
My views on Israel do not align with most on the right. I think they had a right to retaliate but they went too far. Kill all the soldiers you want but leave the women and children alone.
I think Kirk was killed because he was a future force for the right. I don't think some kid made that shot at that distance under that kind of pressure but I may be wrong.
Any influencers that can be bought are low character individuals and I have no interest in them. I do not believe Kirk was bought and paid for.
I agree our beliefs should have checks and balances but that is the internal struggle within each individual. No one should harm another on purpose.
There is no spark, the left won elections that they were going to win the right will do the same. You always bring up hate and I still have no idea who or what you mean.
Its gonna be fun to watch NYC for the next couple of years, bring on the popcorn

 

[Jane]

You assume incorrectly
I have watched countless hours of his videos and debates
The kid parker is just that, a kid. Not much world experience, book smart with all the talking points while being real world naive but he will get there.
You state many of his debates were 'staged', do you know this as fact? You need to stop presenting your opinion as truth without a slightest about of backup for your claims but this is a typical tactic of the left. Maybe you don't even realize you're doing it.
I don't think his mission was to point out weakness in the democrat party as much as just to present his viewpoint and backup his position.
If possible give me a example of where he got his facts wrong so I can see what you mean.
This one is going to rub you wrong but men don't care about peoples feelings when it comes to truth. I'm not saying you call a dumb child dumb but we should all strive to be honest and this rubs weak minded people as disrespectful sometimes.
I couldn't even imagine what it must be like to walk through life trying not to offend anyone or caring if you do. Personally I think this will be one of the major factors in the downfall of our nation but thats just my opinion. Can you imagine our grandfathers believing that men that dress up as women are actually women? No, because they were men and they were honest.
If you feel that Kirk catered to 'white men' then you missed his entire lifes purpose but maybe you cannot help yourself. Debates can be about winning but true debate is about the flow and sharings of ideas and points of view. As much as a lot of people on the left annoy me sometimes I like interacting with them because I try to see things from their point of view.
The reason they will name roads, school, building ect after Kirk is because he was trying to close the gap between people. Victims of violence are something different, in my opinion..
I used to like Tucker more, Owens is off the rails with little hope of return, and I have never heard of Fuentes (but I will look him up). Very few people in my circle believe a word that comes out of 99% of the governments mouths because they have repeatedly shown that they have little character and will lie without a second thought. Jan 6th, Trumps ties to russia, hunters laptop, and I don't just mean the left I mean on anything (just a couple of examples off the top of my head.
My views on Israel do not align with most on the right. I think they had a right to retaliate but they went too far. Kill all the soldiers you want but leave the women and children alone.
I think Kirk was killed because he was a future force for the right. I don't think some kid made that shot at that distance under that kind of pressure but I may be wrong.
Any influencers that can be bought are low character individuals and I have no interest in them. I do not believe Kirk was bought and paid for.
I agree our beliefs should have checks and balances but that is the internal struggle within each individual. No one should harm another on purpose.
There is no spark, the left won elections that they were going to win the right will do the same. You always bring up hate and I still have no idea who or what you mean.
Its gonna be fun to watch NYC for the next couple of years, bring on the popcorn

Your post shows how We have failed our society by not teaching our children to love and respect themselves and other humans.

 

[Lou Deman]

Your post shows how We have failed our society by not teaching our children to love and respect themselves and other humans.

Jane, I'm sorry is it what I said or how I said it? I respect those that I feel deserve my respect. I love those that I feel deserve my love. Very simple and direct

 

[mputnal]

Jane, I'm sorry is it what I said or how I said it? I respect those that I feel deserve my respect. I love those that I feel deserve my love. Very simple and direct

Jane has a valid point. At some point in life no matter what your circumstances you should understand that all human life deserves respect. Love and respect is the solution for so many things but we have terrible leadership and "followers" of terrible leadership right now. We all deserve to be respected and loved!!! Even if you were never taught this you should know by now that life's purpose is to treat everyone the way you want to be treated. In other words our opinions of the world is less than our purpose...

 

[mputnal]

You assume incorrectly
I have watched countless hours of his videos and debates
The kid parker is just that, a kid. Not much world experience, book smart with all the talking points while being real world naive but he will get there.
You state many of his debates were 'staged', do you know this as fact? You need to stop presenting your opinion as truth without a slightest about of backup for your claims but this is a typical tactic of the left. Maybe you don't even realize you're doing it.
I don't think his mission was to point out weakness in the democrat party as much as just to present his viewpoint and backup his position.
If possible give me a example of where he got his facts wrong so I can see what you mean.
This one is going to rub you wrong but men don't care about peoples feelings when it comes to truth. I'm not saying you call a dumb child dumb but we should all strive to be honest and this rubs weak minded people as disrespectful sometimes.
I couldn't even imagine what it must be like to walk through life trying not to offend anyone or caring if you do. Personally I think this will be one of the major factors in the downfall of our nation but thats just my opinion. Can you imagine our grandfathers believing that men that dress up as women are actually women? No, because they were men and they were honest.
If you feel that Kirk catered to 'white men' then you missed his entire lifes purpose but maybe you cannot help yourself. Debates can be about winning but true debate is about the flow and sharings of ideas and points of view. As much as a lot of people on the left annoy me sometimes I like interacting with them because I try to see things from their point of view.
The reason they will name roads, school, building ect after Kirk is because he was trying to close the gap between people. Victims of violence are something different, in my opinion..
I used to like Tucker more, Owens is off the rails with little hope of return, and I have never heard of Fuentes (but I will look him up). Very few people in my circle believe a word that comes out of 99% of the governments mouths because they have repeatedly shown that they have little character and will lie without a second thought. Jan 6th, Trumps ties to russia, hunters laptop, and I don't just mean the left I mean on anything (just a couple of examples off the top of my head.
My views on Israel do not align with most on the right. I think they had a right to retaliate but they went too far. Kill all the soldiers you want but leave the women and children alone.
I think Kirk was killed because he was a future force for the right. I don't think some kid made that shot at that distance under that kind of pressure but I may be wrong.
Any influencers that can be bought are low character individuals and I have no interest in them. I do not believe Kirk was bought and paid for.
I agree our beliefs should have checks and balances but that is the internal struggle within each individual. No one should harm another on purpose.
There is no spark, the left won elections that they were going to win the right will do the same. You always bring up hate and I still have no idea who or what you mean.
Its gonna be fun to watch NYC for the next couple of years, bring on the popcorn

I still think I assume correctly. If you think Charlie Kirk never lost a debate or knew everything there is to know about everything then I am sure you did not watch all his debates. Lets start with how TPUSA staged the campus debates. I can quote specifics from sources but I feel like you need to do the research yourself because you do not respect me or my words. We now have AI btw to help with our lack of understanding. Baptist News Global can help you understand how Charlie Kirk mastered the illusion of "stump" debates. There are other sources that explain how he staged performance debates. Please research. I expect you will dismiss all sources that do not align with your beliefs so this exchange is probably just a nothing burger but because I am a social person I will attempt to answer all your questions.

So your assumption seems to be that Charlie Kirk was special and deserves roads, bridges and monuments to commemorate him. Lets start with his higher education. Can we agree that he was self taught? He dropped out of community college, started to try for an online degree but never finished that either. I will agree that he has an amazing ability to learn "what he chose to learn". In higher education you learn the good, bad and the ugly of all things. Charlie was not educated that way. I have to insert that I respected Charlie Kirk for his abilities to learn on his own but his debates proved that he had limited knowledge of biology, theology, social sciences, government, economic systems and class structure.

His debate in Cambridge proved that he did not fully understand human biology or theology. He believed that a human soul is magically created as soon as a zygote is formed. This is important as there is no evidence whatsoever to prove this magic. Charlie tried to fall back on the bible but even the bible says in Genesis 2:7 that God created life with a breath of air. The debate was about a woman's right to choose and when life begins. I can tell you that neither Charlie or anyone else know for sure therefore it is a woman's fundamental right to make that decision. Not you, me or Charlie Kirk. If you are religious then the Bible will further explain that only God knows and gives life but he does not tell us when a soul is actually formed so we have to allow women decide this. Whether you like it or not it is a weakness for a man to impose his will on a woman's body.

Charlie Kirk's debates about economic systems, government and class structure also proved that he did not fully understand what (hold on to your britches) Capitalism, Marxism, Socialism and class structure works with the government that is in power. This is complicated stuff so go back and review his debate with Ben Corollo and someone else that I can't recall the name. Before you call me a Marxist this is not about what I believe but about Charlie Kirk's knowledge and your accusation of me that I have opinions without facts. If you watch this debate it is obvious that Charlie was out matched by someone with a higher education. Even Charlie agreed with some aspects of class structure and Marxist ideals. I feel like I have to repeat myself that I have my own ideals and do not believe that one size fits all on this subject.

You say that Charlie Kirk was trying to close the gap in people which makes no sense. Please explain. I already give him my respect for using his time and abilities to connect with young people and he did have some success and it is a tragedy that he could not finish his mission. However his methods were doomed to fail in my opinion. In sports no team will stay on top forever as your opponents learn how to use your weaknesses against you. Charlie Kirk was good but not infallible.

Your knowledge of what truth is and how it relates to men in general is wrong. Truth is truth. Respect is respect. It has nothing to do with gender. I have no idea where you get the idea that men care more about truth than respect. I care about both. It is our purpose in life to treat others the way you want to be treated even when we disagree. I use to believe in the same things you do but I found peace in something much bigger than myself. Love and respect for ALL people. This means no hate, no labels, no divisive rhetoric and no belief that we are better than anyone else. I admit to falling short but I am aware that I need to be better tomorrow than I am today. Kindness and goodness is a process...

I think you and I should agree that Charlie Kirk did not deserve to lose his life because of his beliefs and methods of delivering those beliefs but we should also agree that he was not perfect. None of us are perfect. He admitted he had a fascination with pornography and that he was envious of those with higher education. Please review Charlie's debate with someone named Brihanna. I think she was Bernie Sanders press secretary at one point. That debate proved his lack of understanding of institutional racism. Charlie used one example to prove his point when there were are volumes of evidence that proves institutional racism exists. I can be more specific but I think you will benefit from watching this debate again.

I am a little surprised that you do not know how hate has been weaponized by those in power. Hate wins votes. Hate makes people rich. This country, this planet and every one of us has been affected. You did watch Charlie Kirk's funeral right? It was a perfect example of how hate is being exploited by bad characters. I know you have to defend people you believe can get us back on some track to something you believe is great again. We disagree on what great and better means. We disagree on what strong mean. We disagee a lot but what is more important is that we understand there is something bigger and better than ourselves. That something is awareness of our imperfections in our pursuit of truth. Finding truth is hard work. We will not always find it in the media or government leaders. We will not always find it in our religious institutions. We do not have inherent knowledge of truth. Therefore we have to work to find it. We can not be lazy. The search for truth is the single most important thing we can do with our life outside of raising our families with good values.

Did I answer all your questions because I want to be respectful of your concerns about where I get my information? My opinions are seriously insignificant to almost everything else including your opinions because you do deserve your opinion. This discussion is about the whole truth of Charlie Kirk's legacy. I just hope in the future we have conversation with respect instead of accusatory rhetoric. If you do find the time to revisit those debates you should discover that Charlie Kirk fell back on antisocial behaviors instead of accepting that he needs to do more research and reflection to listen and learn from another perspective who has more knowledge. He used the same tactics to dehumanize people he disagreed with rather than debate actual policy as our present leadership in government that he supports also does. This recent election in New York is a prime example of power caring more about power than the people. Labeling someone as a communist who is not a communist is just weakness. Then punishing those people who are are the mandate for change is further proof of weakness. Strength of leadership is when you can listen and learn from the people and execute a policy that helps the people NOT label them as evil, radical, destructive communist. BTW our leadership has communist friends (his own words) which I do not disagree with because it is better to have friends than enemies. It is the hypocrisy that proves weakness...

 

[Lou Deman]

Jane has a valid point. At some point in life no matter what your circumstances may be you should understand that all human life deserves respect. Love is the solution for so many things but we have no leadership or "followers" of good leadership right now. We all deserve to be respected and loved!!! Even if you were never taught this you should know by now that life's purpose is to treat everyone the way you want to be treated. In other words our opinions of the world is less than our purpose...

I 100% disagree. Not everyone deserves respect, some actually deserve disrespect. I 100% agree we should treat everyone as we would like to be treated but what happens when that is not reciprocated? Your comments on love are silly at best.

 

[Lou Deman]

I still think I assume correctly. If you think Charlie Kirk never lost a debate or knew everything there is to know about everything then I am sure you did not watch all his debates. Lets start with how TPUSA staged the campus debates. I can quote from sources but I feel like you need to do the research yourself because you do not respect me or my words. We now have AI btw to help with our lack of understanding. Baptist News Global can help you understand how Charlie Kirk mastered the illusion of "stump" debates. Please research. I expect you will dismiss all sources that do not align with your beliefs so this exchange is probably just a nothing burger but because I am a social person I will attempt to answer all your questions.

So your assumption seems to be that Charlie Kirk was special and deserves roads, bridges and monuments to commemorate him. Lets start with his higher education. Can we agree that he was self taught because he dropped out of college. I will agree that he has an amazing ability to learn "what he chose to learn". In higher education you learn the good, bad and the ugly of all things. Charlie was not educated that way. I have to insert that I respected Charlie Kirk for his abilities to learn on his own but his debates proved that he had limited knowledge of biology, theology, social sciences, government, economic systems and class structure.

His debate in Cambridge proved that he did not fully understand human biology or theology. He believed that a soul is magically created as soon as a zygote is formed. This is important as there is no evidence whatsoever to prove this magic. Charlie tried to fall back on the bible but even the bible says in Genesis 2:7 that God created life with a breath of air. The debate was about a woman's right to choose and when life begins. I can tell you that neither Charlie or anyone else know for sure therefore it is a woman's fundamental right to make that decision. Not you, me or Charlie Kirk.

Charlie Kirk's debates about economic systems, government and class structure also proved that he did not fully understand what (hold on to your britches) Capitalism, Marxism, Socialism and class structure works with the government that is in power. This is complicated stuff so go back and review his debate with Ben Corollo and someone else that I can't recall the name. Before you call me a Marxist this is not about what I believe but about Charlie Kirk's knowledge and your accusation of me that I have opinions without facts. If you watch this debate it is obvious that Charlie was out matched by someone with a higher education. Even Charlie agreed with some aspects of class structure and Marxist ideals. I feel like I have to repeat myself that I have my own ideals and do not believe that one size fits all on this subject.

You say that Charlie Kirk was trying to close the gap in people which makes no sense. Please explain. I already give him my respect for using his time and abilities to connect with young people and he did have some success and it is a tragedy that he could not finish his mission. However his methods were doomed to fail in my opinion. In sports no team will stay on top forever as your opponents learn how to use your weaknesses against you. Charlie Kirk was good but not infallible.

Your knowledge of what truth is and how it relates to men in general is wrong. Truth is truth. Respect is respect. It has nothing to do with gender. I have no idea where you get the idea that men care more about truth than respect. I care about both. It is our purpose in life to treat others the way you want to be treated even when we disagree. I use to believe in the same things you do but I found peace in something much bigger than myself. Love and respect for ALL people. This means no hate, no labels, no divisive rhetoric and no belief that we are better than anyone else. I admit to falling short but I am aware that I need to be better tomorrow than I am today. Kindness and goodness is a process...

I think you and I should agree that Charlie Kirk did not deserve to lose his life because of his beliefs and methods of delivering those beliefs but we should also agree that he was not perfect. None of us are perfect. He admitted he had a fascination with pornography and that he was envious of those with higher education. Please review Charlie's debate with someone named Brihanna. I think she was Bernie Sanders press secretary at one point. That debate proved his lack of understanding of institutional racism. Charlie used one example to prove his point when there were are volumes of evidence that proves institutional racism exists. I can be more specific but I think you will benefit from watching this debate again.

I am a little surprised that you do not know how hate has been weaponized by those in power. Hate wins votes. Hate makes people rich. This country, this planet and every one of us has been affected. You did watch Charlie Kirk's funeral right? It was a perfect example of how hate is being exploited by bad characters. I know you have to defend people you believe can get us back on some track to something you believe is great again. We disagree on what great and better means. We disagree on what strong mean. We disagee a lot but what is more important is that we understand there is something bigger and better than ourselves. That something is awareness of our imperfections in our pursuit of truth. Finding truth is hard work. We will not always find it in the media or government leaders. We will not always find it in our religious institutions. We do not have inherent knowledge of truth. Therefore we have to work to find it. We can not be lazy. The search for truth is the single most important thing we can do with our life outside of raising our families with good values.

Did I answer all your questions because I want to be respectful of your concerns about where I get my information? My opinions are seriously insignificant to almost everything else including your opinons because you do deserve your opinion. This discussion is about the whole truth of Charlie Kirk's legacy. I just hope in the future we have conversation with respect instead of accusatory rhetoric...

I don't think you understand Kirk or what he was doing at all. Sure there were times when he was looking for a 'gotcha' moment but when people interacted with civility he came back with civility. When someone came at him with vinegar he replied with vinegar and I absolutely love that.
Never think for one second that I do not respect your comments. I don't agree with most but at least you are willing to share regardless. There is honor in that and which I respect. I am not a social person until I know those I'm socializing with are genuine, we don't have to share the same beliefs but the person needs to have some level of seriousness.
I didn't say nor do I think Kirk or anyone for that matter should have roads, schools, buildings, etc named after them. I think we are all just human and we all have our flaws. There are very very very few people I look up to because of this.
Its funny to hear you combine college with education, theres a lot of idiots with master degrees and successful people that didn't graduate high school. This is another bi-product of the system thinking that college equals education. Traditional education gets extremely tainted by the beliefs of the teachers. The only true way to learn is to go outside or above those running the class, or get out in the real world. I can't remember hearing Kirk say he was an expert in anything, he just gave his beleif and why or what he based those beliefs on.
This is where you annoy the hell out of me, Kirk believed a soul was created at conception, he never stated it as fact. To say a woman decides when life begins is nonsense in my opinion. Any biologist that says life doesn't begin at conception isn't a real biologist. That being said I personally don't care if someone gets an abortion but lets make sure we call murder murder because you are killing that fetus, make no mistake about it. Like I said I could car less what someone outside my circle does.
If Kirk wasn't trying to close the gap then what do you think he was doing? He gave people an open mic to say/ask whatever they wanted and then talked to them about it.
I don't care if you think my views are wrong. Who said truth and respect have anything to do with gender? Men should care more about truth then respect.
Lets say you and I are sitting at a table and there is a pink flower on the table. You state that the flower is black when it is clearly pink. Should I tell you its black? Agreeing with you would be the 'respectful' thing to do. I won't do that I will tell you its pink. I will also lose respect for you because you have shown that you cannot be honest. Is my stance wrong?
We strongly disagree on the purpose of life and loving and respecting all people.
As stated earlier no one is perfect and no one thinks Kirk was, Kirk often stated he falls short.
I think racism is a crutch and total nonsense but thats another topic.
Here you go again with the hate stuff. Give me an example of what you mean because it makes no sense to me. What does 'hate wins votes' mean? How does hate make people rich?