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steel1man

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horrible police shooting appears many officers down, may be multiple shooters.
 

Misty

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Just gut wrenching!
 

steel1man

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Hope this doesn't spread. So MANY people and groups at fault. We need an intervention
 

Teresa

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What an awful tragedy! The peaceful protest in Dallas as well as cities all over the country was important but then turned into an absolute nightmare, as these police officers were watching over and protecting the protestors. A mass shooting of police is not seen often and I hope never again. My heart and support goes out to Dallas Police Department and your lost brave officers who work hard to protect so many. Escalating gun violence is something we seem to be watching now.

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Misty

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More shootings of police Fri. one in Mo. and one in Tenn. both appeared too be linked to recent incidents involving African-Americans and law enforcement officers in other parts of the country, according to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. Both officer are in critical but stable condition and both shooters have been arrested.

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm really trying to understand the BLM movement. #humanbeingsmatter!
#alllivesmatter! If the BLM movement is able to mobilize as many people as they have across the country to march and protest, why can't they mobilize in their own communities to rid themselves of gangs, black on black killings, drugs, street crimes and any other criminal elements including white, hispanic and other race mixes? Instead when something horrific happens in their communities against one of their own, the police are met with stony silence and many crimes go unsolved yet, let something tragic happen at the hands of a police officer involved shooting and all hell breaks loose.

I'll admit, I do think there are some bad cops but the vast majority of them put their lives on the line everyday to save lives and keep the peace regardless of race, color or creed. Facebook has been filled for days with drama over #blacklivesmatter and honestly, I'm just disgusted by all of it! I can't even bring myself to comment (a real first for me) on most of the crap I've seen that people share because I simply can't wrap my brain around what people are trying to prove! I can't get behind people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton because I see them as a threat to their own people and as attention seeking, political radicals doing more harm than good.

As a nation we have got to come together because if we don't we're all going to hell in a hand basket. We have got to
learn to accept our differences including the color of our skin. Respecting our differences whether its color, sexuality, social status, religion (or not) what job uniform you wear, rich or poor we are all human beings and we all bleed the same color.
 

Dawn

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@Misty it's not an easy issue. I think in order to not be divided you have to want to understand the concerns of people who have different situations than you. Sounds like you do. If a person doesn't have a desire, and some empathetic ability, they retreat. Some people have empathy and some don't. But we all are capable of change if we allow it.

When justice is not served, extreme situations need extreme measures. We have to recognize that a movement is complex and becomes political. Don't fall into the trap of identifying a movement with extreme elements who try to co-opt it. There are problems on both sides. We have to look at ourselves as a society and not blame the products of our system. We have created this situation. White people first need to admit they will never understand what it is really like to be black in America. We can look, listen, and learn, but we will never truly understand. That's where you need to start from. That should not divide. It should allow us all to open our minds to a different reality.

Black people are treated differently by police. That is a fact born out by our eyes, and the stats. Imagine being afraid to be pulled over if you have a tail light out. Not afraid of being arrested, or even physically abused. But afraid for your life. Afraid you won't make it home to your family. That is the reality for every black person in America. Whether they are a US Marine, a priest or a supreme court judge.

It's understandable that fear like that decade after decade after decade eventually needs to be addressed.

It's hard to admit that what we really have to do is end poverty, increase education, increase personal responsibility, and provide healthcare for all, including a comprehensive mental health component.
 

Misty

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@Misty it's not an easy issue. I think in order to not be divided you have to want to understand the concerns of people who have different situations than you. Sounds like you do. If a person doesn't have a desire, and some empathetic ability, they retreat. Some people have empathy and some don't. But we all are capable of change if we allow it.

When justice is not served, extreme situations need extreme measures. We have to recognize that a movement is complex and becomes political. Don't fall into the trap of identifying a movement with extreme elements who try to co-opt it. There are problems on both sides. We have to look at ourselves as a society and not blame the products of our system. We have created this situation. White people first need to admit they will never understand what it is really like to be black in America. We can look, listen, and learn, but we will never truly understand. That's where you need to start from. That should not divide. It should allow us all to open our minds to a different reality.

Black people are treated differently by police. That is a fact born out by our eyes, and the stats. Imagine being afraid to be pulled over if you have a tail light out. Not afraid of being arrested, or even physically abused. But afraid for your life. Afraid you won't make it home to your family. That is the reality for every black person in America. Whether they are a US Marine, a priest or a supreme court judge.

It's understandable that fear like that decade after decade after decade eventually needs to be addressed.

It's hard to admit that what we really have to do is end poverty, increase education, increase personal responsibility, and provide healthcare for all, including a comprehensive mental health component.

I really can't disagree with most of what you are saying. I don't begin to have the answers myself and obviously our elected leaders don't either. The one analogy you did use that I don't totally agree with (maybe partly because I'm not black or maybe because I've watched to many seasons of Cops and other "reality" shows) is that being pulled over causes anybody to be anxious and or scared. I don't want a ticket or to be searched just because I appear nervous. That's not a skin color issue. However, being in a stolen car, with a busted headlight and a small or large amount of drugs or firearms on your person, coming from a known drug location or driving a vehicle while your license is suspended or revoked or attaching a tag not assigned is as real as it gets for law enforcement regardless of skin color, We read about it more when its a black crime than we do when its a white crime but OUR prisons are full of people of all colors and unfortunately, I think that's because of the way the Justice system supports itself and how it rapes the taxpayers. Keep those beds full, keep our coiffures full. I think blacks have been historically targeted because they have been taught to fear police either through lack of education, poverty or folks like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson (who are heavily supported by whites) that instill that kind of fear in their own people because it sells books, it sells news stories and it sells the idea that black lives don't matter. It's racism bought and paid for by black activists supported by white donors.
 

Misty

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P.S. I forgot to ask this but let me preface my question with the fact that I am not anti guns. I absolutely believe it is a constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms to protect yourself from harm but I have to wonder just how big a part open carry laws in Dallas contributed to what happened and what appears to be happening across the country. They guy in Dallas wasn't some angry Muslim extremist so, we can't blame religious extremism and from all the media reports I've read he served this country in the Army and he trained to kill. This may be a poor analogy but when you train an animal to kill and then the animal kills someone or something, we blame the dog. When we put guns in the hands of ANYONE with a license to openly carry aren't we telling them that if you're afraid you have the right to shoot and kill?
I'd hate to think that the man or woman I'm standing next to in line at the grocery store is afraid of me because I'm wearing a police uniform and its Halloween. I'm sure it's a reality for cops every single day though.
 
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